So Jim can you legally incorporate or organize respectively an LLC or a corporation out of state and what I mean by that is if you are a business in California can you have and take advantage of being a Nevada Wyoming or Delaware corporation or LLC yes you can range because the newspapers of the last several months have made it sound like there's something inherently unethical or illegal about going out of state if you just sit in your room for a minute look around at the furniture the desk the pins that are laying on your desk your very computer screen every single one of them ninety-nine percent likely to have been done by a corporation that exists someplace further than two miles down the street from where you're sitting right now many of them are done by foreign corporations meaning from another entire country and many of them are done by someone who goes in the next state over Nevada or Oregon or someplace else all of this was assembled this thought that going out of state or shopping for a forum as we'll get into a little bit later for purposes of doing business is somehow unethical or illegal is totally false in fact it's the wisest thing to do now someone is a counselor for one of these organizations either as an attorney or a CPA or a financial adviser in many cases they're probably derelict if they don't advise them to go to the state the tax is in the least and permits what they want to do as a business the most profitably so no there's nothing unlawful about it at all it's the purpose that you're doing it for that can be unlawful or if you're putting it together and then...